Penn Badgley, Are We Confusing YOU w/ Real Love? TV Fantasies vs. True Bond w/ Dr. Nura | Soul Boom
Actor Penn Badgley (YOU, Gossip Girl) and therapist Dr. Nura Mowzoon join Rainn Wilson to explore how media and modern television distorts our understanding of love, relationships, and passion. Together, they dive into why people mistake conflict for passion, how media reinforces unhealthy romantic ideals, and the deeper psychological impacts of romantic media on young people. Penn also opens up about the unintended consequences of portraying toxic love on-screen and the complexities of attachment and commitment in real life. This conversation challenges popular narratives of love, highlighting the dangers of media-fueled misconceptions.
Penn Badgley is an actor known for his roles as in Dan Humphrey in Gossip Girl and Joe Goldberg in YOU, where he portrays characters that grapple with complex and often unhealthy romantic dynamics. Off-screen, he explores the intersection of spirituality, relationships, and media influence.
Penn and Nura are touring colleges and universities to provide their Can We Talk? series of discussions with students. To have them come lead a discussion at your school, reach out below!
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In this episode, we discuss:
00:00 Penn Badgley Exposes Television’s Toxic Love Stories
03:15 Why Are We Obsessed with Unhealthy Relationships?
07:30 Conflict vs. Passion: The Lies We’ve Been Told
13:45 Penn Badgley: The Truth About Joe Goldberg from YOU
18:55 The Wounded Good Guy vs. The Bad Boy: Which Is Worse?
25:00 Are We Addicted to Outrage?
32:20 Social Media’s Dirty Secret: Fueling Conflict and Division
38:50 The Secret to Disagreeing Without Destroying Relationships
45:30 Can You Really Humanize Your Enemy?
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